Vehicle 59165
Class 104
Builder: BRC&W
Layout: Low Density
Length: 57ft
Coupling Code: Blue Square
Coupling Type: Screw
Gangway Type: LMS
Lot Number: 30295
Diagram: 582
Allocations
The London Midland Region didn't publish trailer car details until late in 1968. Although not 100% reliable, if it is assumed that the trailers remained with the same power cars, the allocations for 50457 during the unknown period are:
| Nov-57 | New to | 5D (Cockshute) | |
| 3w/e 30/04/66 | Transferred to | 9A (Longsight) | |
| 4w/e 04/02/67 | Transferred to | 9D (Newton Heath) |
Then the allocations for 59165 are:
| 4w/e 30/11/68 | Transferred to | 16C (Derby Etches Park) | |
| May-73 | Depot code change | DY | |
| w/e 11/01/75 | Transferred to | TS (Tyseley) | |
| w/e 24/04/76 | Transferred to | NH (Newton Heath) | |
| May-80 | Transferred to | LO (Longsight) | |
| 22/11/82 | Withdrawn from | LO (Longsight) |
Disposal
Scrapped by Vic Berry, Leicester
Some sample formations the vehicle has been noted in:
| 50457 | 59165 | 50509 | As delivered to 5D - November 1957 | ||||||
| 50448 | 59165 | 50502 | Noted 14/04/69 - in Derby1 | ||||||
| 50448 | 59165 | 50502 | Noted 18/04/69 - in Derby1 | ||||||
| EP475 | 50448 | 59165 | 50502 | Noted circa Jun-69 | |||||
| 50449 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 30/05/70 - at Peterborough1 | ||||||
| 50499 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 15/08/70 - at Crewe2 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 03/08/1971 - at Nottingham3 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 02/10/1971 - at Derby4 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 31/10/71 - at Crewe1 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 30/04/72 - at Derby1 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 18/08/1972 - at Derby3 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Transfer to TS - w/e 11/01/75 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 23/08/75 - on Tyseley depot2 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 22/11/1975 - RCTS Reunion Railtour 50325-59118-50307 + 50498-59165-50446 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 13/03/1976 - at Solihull on 10:58 from Birmingham Moor Street3 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Noted 27/03/1976 - at Solihull3 | ||||||
| 50446 | 59165 | 50498 | Transfer to NH - Apr-76 - from TS | ||||||
| 50457 | 59165 | 50509 | Noted 10/09/76 - on Newton Heath depot2 | ||||||
| 50457 | 59165 | 50509 | Noted circa 02/19835 |
Formation Sources
1: Leonard Rogers
2: Gerald Brown
3: Peter Wallwork
4: Jeremy Goodyear
5: Eddie Knorn
Images:
19th August 1961
A BRC&W triple set seen north of Tean Halt in Staffordshire (which had closed in 1953) with the 12.35pm Stoke-on-Trent - Cheadle service on 19 August 1961. The centre car is M59165, the DMBS number ends in 7, so is likely original partner M50457. Michael Mensing.
The vehicle is mentioned in the following images:
Date: 29th June 1972
Set number: EP490
A rare visitor to South Wales, this Derby-based Class 104 unit (M50498 + M59165 + M50446) with what appeared to be an empty stock working though Newport on 29th June 1972. It had previously worked a Derby – Cardiff special. Note the EP490 (Etches Park) set number in the cab window. Jim Sparks.
Date: 22nd November 1975
The RCTS Reunion railtour in Kettering and Corby station on 22 November 1975. The headocde 1L01 is in the centre cab window and the tour headboard can just be seen inside the left cab window. The Six Bells Junction website lists the Class 101 as 50325 + 59118 + 50307, and out of sight is a Class 104 listed as 50498 + 59165 + 50446. Stuart Mackay Collection.
Date: 17th December 1975
A blurry image, but added as a rare shot of a BRCW Class 104 (M50498 + M59165 + M50446) at Reading, taken on 17/12/75. The vehicles were allocated to Tyseley at the time. Bob Gregory.