Vehicle 50517 / 53517
Class 104
Builder: BRC&W
Layout: Low Density
Length: 57ft
Coupling Code: Blue Square
Coupling Type: Screw
Gangway Type: LMS
Engines: Leyland 150hp
Transmission: Mechanical
Lot Number: 30294
Diagram: 558
Allocations
| 4w/e 28/12/57 | New to | 5B (Crewe South) | |
| Apr-63 | Transferred to | 5D (Cockshute) | |
| 3w/e 30/04/66 | Transferred to | 9A (Longsight) | |
| 4w/e 04/02/67 | Transferred to | 9D (Newton Heath) | |
| May-73 | Depot code change | NH | |
| 04/02/87 | Transferred to | AY (Ayr) | |
| Mar-87 | Transferred to | ED (Eastfield) | |
| 02/10/88 | Transferred to | NH (Newton Heath) | |
| 14/05/89 | Transferred to | CH (Chester) PCHX | |
| 21/05/90 | Withdrawn from | CH (Chester) PXXZ |
Notes
30th April 1990 - Seen stored out of use at Chester depot
12th October 1990 - Listed as condemned at Chester depot
22/04/91 - withdrawn vehicles noted at Chester: 53431, 53442, 53494, 53512, 53516, 53517, 53534, 53536, 59065, 59137, 59525; also soon to be W SC59049 and SC59074
The vehicle carried the following numbers:
50517 - original number
53517 - from Jun-84 (53xxx / 54xxx change)
Disposal
Preserved - more details.
Some sample formations the vehicle has been noted in:
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | As delivered to 5B - 4w/e 28/12/57 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 20/07/68 - in Newton Heaton depot1 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 12/09/71 - at Wigan Wallgate1 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 08/06/72 - in Manchester Victoria1 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted circa 05/1973 - listed at Bletchley on loan2 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 28/08/75 - on Newton Heath depot3 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 10/04/76 - in Manchester Victoria1 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 15/04/77 - on 1415 Manchester V-Blackpool N | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 25/07/79 - on 17:20 Southport - Bolton4 | ||||||
| 50465 | 59173 | 50517 | Noted 03/08/79 | ||||||
| NH136 | 50450 | 50517 | Noted circa 05/19822 | ||||||
| NH136 | 50450 | 50517 | Noted 19/07/1982 - Manchester Victoria2 | ||||||
| 50450 | 50517 | Noted circa 03/19832 | |||||||
| 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at Newton Heath - Summer 1986 | ||||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at ED - 23/03/87 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted circa 04/19872 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted 07/05/19872 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at ED - Jan-88 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at ED - 1st January 1988 | |||||
| 432 | 51992 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted February 1988 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted 31st March 1988 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted circa 05/19882 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at ED - 16th July 1988 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Listed at ED - circa August 1988 | |||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted 16th August 1988 | |||||
| N680 | 53464 | 53517 | Noted 28th October 1988 | ||||||
| N680 | 53464 | 53517 | Noted circa 11/19882 | ||||||
| 53464 | 53517 | Noted 26th November 1988 | |||||||
| N680 | 53464 | 53517 | Noted 4th February 1989 | ||||||
| 456 | 53464 | 59168 | 53517 | Noted March 1989 | |||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Listed at CH - 1st July 1989 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 3rd September 1989 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Listed at CH - 14/10/89 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted circa 11/19892 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 10th February 1990 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 23rd February 1990 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 26th February 1990 - EMU replacement services to Altrincham | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 27th February 1990 | ||||||
| CH611 | 53451 | 53517 | Noted 14th April 1990 |
Formation Sources
1: Leonard Rogers
2: Eddie Knorn
3: Gerald Brown
4: Phil Shatford
Images:
2nd May 1965
Two BRC&W triples are seen at The Hawthorns (on the Great Western Birmingham - Wolverhampton line) on 2 May 1965. The now preserved M50517 leads, at the time allocated to Cockshute. Michael Mensing.
August 1981
A Class 104 at Preston in August 1981 with DMCL M50517 closest. Curly42.
16th May 1986
A three-car Class 104 DMU formed of cars M53517, M59168 & M53464 was stood on the Down Fast at Leyland station with a Manchester Victoria to Blackpool North service on May 16th 1986. Unusually, the centre trailer car (M59168) was in blue/grey livery. M53517 has survived into preservation and is currently at the East Lancashire Railway. Martyn Hilbert.
11th October 1986
With its centre trailer car in blue/grey, a three-car BRCW Class 104 DMU formed of cars M53517, M59168 & M53464 was stood on the Up Fast at Leyland station with a Blackpool North to Manchester Victoria service on October 11th 1986. Of the three individual cars, M53464 & M59168 were eventually scrapped, with M53517 surviving into preservation. Martyn Hilbert.
2nd May 1987
Set number: 456
53517 with 59168 and 53464 at Eastfield depot on the 2nd May 1987. Dennis Taylor.
1988
Set number: 456
Class 104 unit no. 456 stands at Glasgow Queen Street, 53517 closest presumably with 59168 + 53464. The Garden Festival signage at the end of the platform dates this to 1988. Ian Docwra.
March 1988
Set number: 456
New and Old in Waverley. In March 1988 set 456 is seen with 53517, 59168 and 53464 at platform 15 with a Bathgate service, while a newfangled Sprinter sits on platform 17. Murray Liston.
3rd September 1989
Set number: CH611
CH611 M53517 + M53451 stabled on Chester Depot 3-9-89. Kevin Dowd.
26th December 1989
Set number: CH611
Class 104 53517, set number CH611, is seen stabled at Tyseley on 26.12.1989 in all over BR blue. On the right is M53124. Andy Cole.
6th January 1990
Set number: CH611
CH611 (53517 + 53451) at Chester with the 14:35 to Warrington Central on 6/1/90. Gazza Prescott.
15th February 1990
Set number: CH611
A rather tired looking Chester allocated Class 104 set CH611 comprising of 53517 + 53451 in Manchester Piccadilly's platform 1 with a local service, 15th February 1990. Andrew J Crowther.
20th March 1990
Set number: CH611
With the light fading a bit too much for a hand held shot on 64ASA slide film a handy concrete planter makes a different shot of 53451+53517 at Lichfield Trent Valley on Tuesday 20th March 1990. The 17:15 Coventry to Stafford service was booked to wait here for a fast service to pass in the days before the quadrupling to Rugeley. Ian Hazlehurst.
12th November 1990
Set number: CH611
53517 in the scrapline at Chester, 12/11/90. Gazza Prescott.
6th April 1991
Hiding behind 08 635 at Chester on 6 April 1991 is out of use BRCW Class 104 DMSL 53517. Dave Warby.
The vehicle is mentioned in the following images:
Date: 3rd August 1979
Blackpool North was a frequent haunt for Class 104s. In the station when this shot was taken on the 3rd August 1979 were 50524 + 59183 + 50475, 50504 + 59160 + 50452, 50477 + 59185 + 50529 and 50517 + 59173 + 50465. Robert Frise.
Date: 17th August 1981
A Class 104 DMU formed of DMBS 50465 + DMCL 50517 departs from Church & Oswaldtwistle (Lancashire) on 17-8-1981. John Law Collection.
Date: 2nd May 1983
Class 104 power twin DMU 50450 + 50517 coming down Miles Platting, 2-5-83. On Tour With the Class 13 Army.
Date: 1988
Set number: 456
Class 104 DMU set 456 (presumably 53464 + 59168 + 53517) arrives into Dunblane station while a Class 107 sits in the southbound platform. Circa spring 1988. Brian Ward.
Date: 1988
Set number: 456
Class 104 DMU set 456 (presumably 53464 + 59168 + 53517) about to arrive into Bridge of Allan station with a southbound service circa spring 1988. Brian Ward.
Date: 1988
Set number: 456
Class 104 DMU set 456 (presumably 53464 + 59168 + 53517) in platform 3 of Stirling station circa spring 1988. Brian Ward.
Date: spring 1988
Set number: 456
Eastfield's BRCW set 456 (53464 + 59168 + 53517) arrives at Waverley in the spring of 1988. It seems to have drawn a crowd of young admirers in the background, a spot where I was first introduced to (green) DMUs and locos moving around here at a similar age. This long-time Manchester set came up to Scotland in 1987 but lasted less than 2 years before living out a final year of service at Newton Heath. Murray Liston.
Date: 10th June 1988
Set number: 456
53464 + 59168 + (53517), working the 17:28 Cowdenbeath - Edinburgh on June 10, 1988, pass a Class 101 centre car stabled in the east end of Haymarket depot. Hamish Stevenson.
Date: 24th August 1988
Set number: 456
53464 + 59168 + 53517 (set 456) is working with a Class 101 on the 17:10 Edinburgh - Dunblane service on August 24, 1988, seen just after departure in Princes Street Gardens. Hamish Stevenson.
Date: 20th March 1989
Set number: N680
N680 (53464, presumably with 53517) at Sheffield on March 20, 1989. John Carter.
Date: 15th February 1990
Set number: CH611
A rather tired looking Chester allocated Class 104 DMU set CH611 comprising of 53451 + 53517 in Manchester Piccadilly's platform 1 with a local service, 15th February 1990. Andrew J Crowther.
Date: 5th June 1990
Condemned Class 104 DMUs M53431, 53512 and M53517 at Chester on June 5th, 1990. Nicholas Youngman.